[idea] changes to nat format

[penguinissimo]

This may be totally off the wall, but here goes.

It seems to me that the main problem with the NAT scene is the lack of interest among the rank and file. This is because, unless you have a NAT player, you have no interest - financial or otherwise - in the performance of the NAT team.

I would therefore suggest that you go in the totally opposite direction to ash's suggestion of no exp, no compensation, no unavailability. As well as all these things, if a NAT team does well every club in that country receives a small amount of money. Just as, for example, the ECB receives a huge amount of revenue in relation to the England international side, and distributes that money down to the major counties, minor counties and grass-roots.

Before you roll your eyes and stop reading, consider it. First, I'm not talking about huge amounts of money - I'll get on to the sort of quantum shortly. What the NAT set-up does not currently have, in any way shape for form, is a financial structure. And yet, NAT matches do have nominal "attendances", which have no relevance to anything whatsoever.

Imagine this:

- each NAT side has a supporter mood, which goes up or down at the end of each tour (i'll deal with WC separately later)
- each match has an attendance (as currently) and a TV audience (new concept)
- the supporter mood of the two nations has limited effect on the attendance (tend to be the hardcore supporters), but a huge impact on the TV audience
- the NAT team "earns" a set amount for each ticket sold, and a different amount for each TV spectator
- the revenue earned by the NAT team is split amongst ALL the human-controlled clubs playing in that country.

That is very broad brush, and I don't propose to go into more details at this stage on how you could calculate the prices etc to ensure that the money coming into the system was acceptably small so that it didn't screw up the economy, but enough to ensure clubs (especially the lower league clubs, where there is almost universal apathy) cared about their NAT team. If people are interested in the idea generally, I do have some thoughts on this.

But that's the point - if the amount of money coming into your club coffers during a season was affected by the performance of your NAT team, you damn well would care what was going on at that level. You'd scrutinise selections, you'd follow matches, you'd care about the elections - in fact, you'd care generally.

If you achieve that, I don't think it much matters whether you have tours or leagues. People would care about NAT matches, and that would be the main thing.

[MartinONeill]

Fairly relative point there peng

[heppa]

Great idea there penguin. Especially the TV spectators, sounds exciting

[Lambert]

All pretty much discussed in the suggestions forum already though Pingu, apart from the TV revenue aspect.

If I remember rightly it was viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15216

[penguinissimo]

All pretty much discussed in the suggestions forum already though Pingu, apart from the TV revenue aspect.

If I remember rightly it was viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15216

Nothing in that thread to suggest that rank and file managers might get money based on the performance of the NAT team. Just that people could declare which nation they supported.

Big difference if you're looking to get people to take an interest in the match-by-match goings on of their NAT side.

[Lambert]

All pretty much discussed in the suggestions forum already though Pingu, apart from the TV revenue aspect.

If I remember rightly it was viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15216

Nothing in that thread to suggest that rank and file managers might get money based on the performance of the NAT team. Just that people could declare which nation they supported.

Big difference if you're looking to get people to take an interest in the match-by-match goings on of their NAT side.

Yeah its the wrong thread

But the jist was the same, where money filtered down from the Nation you supported through gate receipts.

BTW I think it is a great idea and agree with your comments.

Couple it with a tweak to Tours and world Cup Qualification then you got a winner IMHO.

[gohutchy]

This may be totally off the wall, but here goes.

It seems to me that the main problem with the NAT scene is the lack of interest among the rank and file. This is because, unless you have a NAT player, you have no interest - financial or otherwise - in the performance of the NAT team.

I would therefore suggest that you go in the totally opposite direction to ash's suggestion of no exp, no compensation, no unavailability. As well as all these things, if a NAT team does well every club in that country receives a small amount of money. Just as, for example, the ECB receives a huge amount of revenue in relation to the England international side, and distributes that money down to the major counties, minor counties and grass-roots.

Before you roll your eyes and stop reading, consider it. First, I'm not talking about huge amounts of money - I'll get on to the sort of quantum shortly. What the NAT set-up does not currently have, in any way shape for form, is a financial structure. And yet, NAT matches do have nominal "attendances", which have no relevance to anything whatsoever.

Imagine this:

- each NAT side has a supporter mood, which goes up or down at the end of each tour (i'll deal with WC separately later)
- each match has an attendance (as currently) and a TV audience (new concept)
- the supporter mood of the two nations has limited effect on the attendance (tend to be the hardcore supporters), but a huge impact on the TV audience
- the NAT team "earns" a set amount for each ticket sold, and a different amount for each TV spectator
- the revenue earned by the NAT team is split amongst ALL the human-controlled clubs playing in that country.

That is very broad brush, and I don't propose to go into more details at this stage on how you could calculate the prices etc to ensure that the money coming into the system was acceptably small so that it didn't screw up the economy, but enough to ensure clubs (especially the lower league clubs, where there is almost universal apathy) cared about their NAT team. If people are interested in the idea generally, I do have some thoughts on this.

But that's the point - if the amount of money coming into your club coffers during a season was affected by the performance of your NAT team, you damn well would care what was going on at that level. You'd scrutinise selections, you'd follow matches, you'd care about the elections - in fact, you'd care generally.

If you achieve that, I don't think it much matters whether you have tours or leagues. People would care about NAT matches, and that would be the main thing.

This is not the worst suggestion in the world. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

[Arsalan]

I like the Idea of money distribution by peng

[Vitamurmillo]

I like the Idea of money distribution by peng

Me to...

As long as we all get more money!

[JAGNZ]

How is that money distributed amongst minor nations?

Do clubs nominate for a minor nation? What about someone in my position who supports UAE but my club is based in NZ. Do I qualify for both or do I get to chose and in which case I'd be foolish to not pick NZ despite supporting the UAE.

Do major nations get more money, after all they would produce higher ticket sales/tv revenue than minor nations?

I don't think money would make people care to the point where they'd actually scrutinise selections and follow matches. Might make NAT managers feel more under the microscope though and more likely to field full strength lineups whenever possible.

[penguinissimo]

How is that money distributed amongst minor nations?

Do clubs nominate for a minor nation? What about someone in my position who supports UAE but my club is based in NZ. Do I qualify for both or do I get to chose and in which case I'd be foolish to not pick NZ despite supporting the UAE.

Do major nations get more money, after all they would produce higher ticket sales/tv revenue than minor nations?

I don't think money would make people care to the point where they'd actually scrutinise selections and follow matches. Might make NAT managers feel more under the microscope though and more likely to field full strength lineups whenever possible.

This is obviously an important practical point. I would suggest something like:

- at the start of each season, supporter moods are reset and each manager would get to select/change which country they support
- a manager could not change allegiance two seasons in a row (ie the minimum period of time for "supporting" a nation is two seasons)
- if a manager doesn't specify a different allegiance, he will default to the nation where his club plays
- amount of money produced would be proportionate to the number of clubs aligned to that nation (a similar calculation to supporter numbers)

Thus, people are free to opt for whichever nation they choose, but the more popular (and thus richer) nations will have more clubs to distribute the money amongst.

Obviously, within that dynamic there would need to be scope for countries that win more often to receive more money than those that lose. However, if everyone picked the "best" nations, then the gain each club makes when that nation does well is fairly small, whilst if a comparatively poorly-supported nation does well then each supporting club will receive a larger $ amount of "performance-related" money.

[MOD-R0b1et]

distribute to clubs, weighted by number of players of that nation, not where they are.

[MOD-Bongo]

The problem with that idea is that it forces you to care about NT games when it should be a valid option to not care about them at all.

[honookatana]

The problem with that idea is that it forces you to care about NT games when it should be a valid option to not care about them at all.

It doesn't really force you to care. You can just not care and take some free money. You could make the default nation the one you play in and people don't even have to do anything.

[MOD-Bongo]

The problem with that idea is that it forces you to care about NT games when it should be a valid option to not care about them at all.

It doesn't really force you to care. You can just not care and take some free money. You could make the default nation the one you play in and people don't even have to do anything.

It's not free money though, most clubs will actually lose out.