England Senior NAT Discussion

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Atko
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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Atko » Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am

Chezza wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:53 am
Hey everyone,
Thanks for having me along as new England senior manager. I'm excited to see what the current term holds. Lots of talent in the squad, so hopefully we can have some winning results, starting by jumping straight out of division 3.

First off would like to do a big shout out to the previous team Eagles, Monty and Atko. Those guys certainly picked the best squad they had available and were super unlucky with the final group game of the recent world cup. Eagles has moved on to help with the U20s, Monty is looking for a new challenge (but staying in the group to offer advice), and Atko was keen to just stay involve in domestic FTP.

So to replace everyone, I've taken on 3 new assistants - Rjman, Nori and Lordsnape. Nori and Lordsnape in particular are both fairly new to FTP, but bringing in new assistants is great for growing the game and bringing new ideas to the table. Hopefully after this term they stay with the England setup and (potentially) even manage the team one day.

Already Rjman has managed us to a friendly win against Kenya and Nori a narrow loss to Sri Lanka. They've both brought different orders and suggestions to the table.

Despite taking on three new assistants and some trialing of different kind of orders in friendlies, at the end of the day the results in this tenure will be on me. Hopefully more good than bad :lol:

Our first tour starts in Canada in two weeks on crumbling, slow and dry pitches. Ideally starting with a first up win against President Carrot of Zimbabwe!
Best of British luck to you fella! :clap

I would correct you on one thing though - I was never in the England management team!

Probably all the gobbing off I do in this thread fooled ya! :lol:

Chezza
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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:25 pm

Atko wrote: Best of British luck to you fella! :clap

I would correct you on one thing though - I was never in the England management team!

Probably all the gobbing off I do in this thread fooled ya! :lol:
:lol: had me fooled for sure. Great to have people with a strong interest in the national team even if not involved though haha

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by eagles123 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:54 pm

Atko wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:19 am
Chezza wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:53 am
Hey everyone,
Thanks for having me along as new England senior manager. I'm excited to see what the current term holds. Lots of talent in the squad, so hopefully we can have some winning results, starting by jumping straight out of division 3.

First off would like to do a big shout out to the previous team Eagles, Monty and Atko. Those guys certainly picked the best squad they had available and were super unlucky with the final group game of the recent world cup. Eagles has moved on to help with the U20s, Monty is looking for a new challenge (but staying in the group to offer advice), and Atko was keen to just stay involve in domestic FTP.

So to replace everyone, I've taken on 3 new assistants - Rjman, Nori and Lordsnape. Nori and Lordsnape in particular are both fairly new to FTP, but bringing in new assistants is great for growing the game and bringing new ideas to the table. Hopefully after this term they stay with the England setup and (potentially) even manage the team one day.

Already Rjman has managed us to a friendly win against Kenya and Nori a narrow loss to Sri Lanka. They've both brought different orders and suggestions to the table.

Despite taking on three new assistants and some trialing of different kind of orders in friendlies, at the end of the day the results in this tenure will be on me. Hopefully more good than bad :lol:

Our first tour starts in Canada in two weeks on crumbling, slow and dry pitches. Ideally starting with a first up win against President Carrot of Zimbabwe!
Best of British luck to you fella! :clap

I would correct you on one thing though - I was never in the England management team!

Probably all the gobbing off I do in this thread fooled ya! :lol:
you did have half the team though :lol:

all the best to Chezza and the team, I'll be keeping a keen eye on how things go :)

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:37 am

First tour of the new tenure is upon us, starting in Division 3.
We have 3 dry pitches (Days 1,4,5), 1 slow (Day 2) and 1 crumbling (Day 3)

Touring Squad is:

Batsman
Phillip Coulstock (DISHKYOMMM!!!)
Rolón Donaire (Sterling Archers)
Darrel Raymer (Tobago Saucers)
John Shalidor (The Raging Speed Horns)
Damien Solomon (BD SPARK)
Tim Tafail (The Bloodhounds)
Tess Tuntrace (Ball Busters)

Keepers
Isaiah Hitchcox (Canterbury Villagers)
Joe Whitworth (DISHKYOMMM!!!)

Bowlers
LF Steve Petrie (Me & My Buddies)
LF Max Speed (The Raging Speed Horns)
RM Dominic Diablo (The Raging Speed Horns)
LM Muhammad Woodcock (Tobago Saucers)
LFM Stew Noack (Tobago Saucers)
RWS Richard Colville (Lincolnshire ccc)
RWS Jared McPharlin (Crni Zmajevi Cricket Club)

All-rounders
LFS Darin Levy (Indian Vikings)
RFS Moeen McCoombe (Relegation reprobates)

The squad is definitely good enough to get some good results early on, hopefully with a big early win in game 1 against Zimbabwe.

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:12 am

Tour 1

Finished 4-1 (1st in Div 3)

Wins against Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Canada and New Zealand
Lost against: Bangladesh

Best players: Joe Whitworth, who scored the most runs (203) and Jared McPharlin (11 wickets).

Special performances: Damien Solomon’s 129no v Netherlands and Max Speed 4/31 and 3 catches on sunny/dry v New Zealand

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Atko » Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:27 am

Chezza wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:12 am
Tour 1

Finished 4-1 (1st in Div 3)

Wins against Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Canada and New Zealand
Lost against: Bangladesh

Best players: Joe Whitworth, who scored the most runs (203) and Jared McPharlin (11 wickets).

Special performances: Damien Solomon’s 129no v Netherlands and Max Speed 4/31 and 3 catches on sunny/dry v New Zealand
Excellent work - great to see my boys in the action too -

Max Speed managed to bag 2nd place on the overall bowling for Nat One Day 3, behind McPharlin (Crni Zmajevi Cricket Club). That pair were incisive with 21 wickets between them for the tour, including knocking over batsmen in the top six 13 times in their three outings :thumbsup

Diablo, unfortunately, lived up to his name, being bloody diabolical (phnaar, phnaar) with 0-106 from his two stints (you were wise not to give him a third game :lol: ) - but I'd say the conditions weren't quite right for him - guess the NBB talent tipped him the nod.

It was really good to see Shalidor play a solid part - with scores of 73, 32 and 45 he did far better than any previous Horns batsman, and now has a most fragrant international average of 50.0 :clap (Oh, and he captained too - although did lose one match so we won't dwell on that)

Anyway, horn-tooting over - Great to see us back in Div 2. Best of luck in the next campaign!

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

Atko wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:27 am

Excellent work - great to see my boys in the action too -

Max Speed managed to bag 2nd place on the overall bowling for Nat One Day 3, behind McPharlin (Crni Zmajevi Cricket Club). That pair were incisive with 21 wickets between them for the tour, including knocking over batsmen in the top six 13 times in their three outings

Diablo, unfortunately, lived up to his name, being bloody diabolical (phnaar, phnaar) with 0-106 from his two stints (you were wise not to give him a third game ) - but I'd say the conditions weren't quite right for him - guess the NBB talent tipped him the nod.

It was really good to see Shalidor play a solid part - with scores of 73, 32 and 45 he did far better than any previous Horns batsman, and now has a most fragrant international average of 50.0 (Oh, and he captained too - although did lose one match so we won't dwell on that)

Anyway, horn-tooting over - Great to see us back in Div 2. Best of luck in the next campaign!
Cheers Atko! Now I’ve run into you in the cup for round 6. Please take it easy on my lads :lol:

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Atko » Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:26 am

Chezza wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm
Atko wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:27 am

Excellent work - great to see my boys in the action too -

Max Speed managed to bag 2nd place on the overall bowling for Nat One Day 3, behind McPharlin (Crni Zmajevi Cricket Club). That pair were incisive with 21 wickets between them for the tour, including knocking over batsmen in the top six 13 times in their three outings

Diablo, unfortunately, lived up to his name, being bloody diabolical (phnaar, phnaar) with 0-106 from his two stints (you were wise not to give him a third game ) - but I'd say the conditions weren't quite right for him - guess the NBB talent tipped him the nod.

It was really good to see Shalidor play a solid part - with scores of 73, 32 and 45 he did far better than any previous Horns batsman, and now has a most fragrant international average of 50.0 (Oh, and he captained too - although did lose one match so we won't dwell on that)

Anyway, horn-tooting over - Great to see us back in Div 2. Best of luck in the next campaign!
Cheers Atko! Now I’ve run into you in the cup for round 6. Please take it easy on my lads :lol:
Oh bloody hell, Chesney Champions, Chezza :doh
Just been doing the write-up for the MKMC match and upcoming game too - aging takes a heavy toll on the grey matter :lol:

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:52 am

Atko wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:26 am

Oh bloody hell, Chesney Champions, Chezza :doh
Just been doing the write-up for the MKMC match and upcoming game too - aging takes a heavy toll on the grey matter :lol:
:lol:
Quality preview probably the best MKMC one in this thread

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:26 am

England Nat's Senior update

I've been pretty quiet on here last few months. So due for an update where we're at.

It's been a mixed period for England senior nats to be honest. Since October we've flipped and flopped between division 2 and division 3. Basically we've shown we're too good for division 3 and not quite strong enough on seaming pitches in div 2. In ratings terms we started the one day tenure in 12th and t20s in 15th. Currently in 11th and 15th, so we've kind of maintained the status quo, which is a bit disappointing.

We've had a lot of close losses, often with a heap of dropped catches costing us some close games which hasn't been ideal, culminating in relegation back to division 2 by 0.07 following the most recent tour.

The good
Our best senior players have performed fairly well, led by the bowlers Stew Noack, Max Speed and Jared McPharlin. Stuart Yallop, Harvey Charlton and Rolon Donaire have become fairly consistent performers with the bat. Samit Colreavy also played a couple of solid innings in difficult conditions on the most recent tour.

We've qualified for the world cup again :party (ranked 11th). Actually have a chance to go fairly deep as our squad lacks depth, but with a variety of pitches hopefully we don't get too many uneven and hards :lol:


The bad
With a lack of depth we've been exposed a few times, with our next best players unfortunately not good enough. Richard Buckroyd is a very well trained player, but for some reason has been worse than hopeless at Nat level. In theory he should do alright, he has outstanding summary batting, with LFM world class bowling. Yet 8 games into his nat career he's averaging 15 batting and 69 bowling in favourable seam conditions. He also dropped two crucial catches in our recent 1 wicket loss to South Africa which got us relegated. Rowan Triffit is in the same boat. Our only possible seam nat all rounder, but doesn't score runs (averging 19 batting) and over 50 per wicket bowling.

Squad wise we have decent bats, very good keeper bats and good spinners.

England senior nats are lacking majorly in 2 areas which is hindering us substantially at the moment:
Seam A/Rs - Triffit will get better but he's our only 1 (exceptional/exceptional), (at least we have McCombe for the spin A/R).
Seam bowling depth. Our main bowlers are excellent (albeit most without relevant talents), but the second tier fall away alot.

Looking forward
The bad news is the next tenure we're likely to get a bit worse as our seam bowling and A/R sitaution is dire. The good news is there is a few unbelievable seam bowling prospects in the 22-23 age range, led by Ben Rouke and Dion Gaby. So while the short term isn't looking amazing, the next set of bowlers will be great for England seniors.

Long term though the A/R situation is diabolical and are looking the biggest problem. Greame Wall (25y,8w) by far the best future prospect (outstanding bat, spectacular bowling), with Des Doherty the next best of a ridiculously ordinary bunch of future A/Rs. Even Doherty is 24 and only has outstanding (bowling medium), along with no talent he's likely struggle at the top level too. Future England nat senior sides will likely have to pick 5 bowlers and hope 6 bats can make enough of a score. No matter what conditions Triffit is basically a lock to get selected every tour for the next 3 seasons.

Upcoming World Cup
I think we will compete quite strongly in the upcoming world cup. We're completely outgunned by Australia (as most teams are) and teams like Pakistan with their seam bowling. But given a good run of conditions we could go quite deep in the tournament.

Thanks again to the England community for all your in-game messages and support. It's been really great to be apart of. We certainly haven't been the most successful, but the lack of in-fighting and quality suggestions from other managers has been fantastic. Hopefully we can do the nation (and all your players proud) and cause some upsets in the cup.

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by wolfberries » Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:31 pm

Chezza wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:26 am
England Nat's Senior update

Long term though the A/R situation is diabolical and are looking the biggest problem. Greame Wall (25y,8w) by far the best future prospect (outstanding bat, spectacular bowling), with Des Doherty the next best of a ridiculously ordinary bunch of future A/Rs. Even Doherty is 24 and only has outstanding (bowling medium), along with no talent he's likely struggle at the top level too. Future England nat senior sides will likely have to pick 5 bowlers and hope 6 bats can make enough of a score. No matter what conditions Triffit is basically a lock to get selected every tour for the next 3 seasons.
Wolfberries Too >> 11. Des Doherty >> Details
Player Info
24y2w | 63,693 rating | $15,540 wage (8.5% discount)

Left hand batsman | Right arm Medium

Talents Prodigy
Nationality England England
Form reasonable
Fatigue rested
Experience spectacular
Captaincy reliable
Skills Summary
Batsman spectacular
Bowler spectacular
Keeper average
Allrounder spectacular
Notes

Skills
Batting spectacular Endurance reliable
Bowling spectacular Technique spectacular
Keeping ordinary Power capable
Fielding exceptional

A couple of pops yesterday has helped but I'm not sure I entirely agree that Doherty won't be good enough in the future as an international standard all rounder, in my eyes he's on the way to becoming a bit of a beast but we all can't agree.

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:05 am

He’s a great player Wolfy, don’t get me wrong. And will dominate for you in a few seasons time at club level, especially on green and slow pitches.

But almost certainly his bowling will never be good enough to compete at national level. Happy to be shown otherwise but Rowan Triffit is a vastly superior medium bowler (a few seasons older), with skilled talent (WC bowling summary) and he’s averaging over 50 per wicket. Doherty’s bowling won’t get close to that level.

He will very likely play nats in 4-5 seasons as he’s the best 24 year old all rounder in England but I certainly think on most pitches he will be fodder with the ball (which is his biggest issue being a talentless right medium).

I hope I’m proved wrong though :lol:

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by wolfberries » Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:54 pm

Chezza wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:05 am

I hope I’m proved wrong though :lol:
Only time will tell :wink:

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by Chezza » Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:28 am

We made the semis of the World Cup!!

After opening with 3 wins, two small losses in games 4 and 5 was enough to just sneak through.

Getting into the final 4 with Pakistan (strongest team on uneven) in game 4 and Aussies game 5 (strongest depth squad) is actually remarkable given our squad is definitely the weakest out there.

The odds are heavily stacked against us big time v South Africa in the semi, who have ridiculous batting depth and with overcast conditions our seamers are wrecked.

Hopefully the ME has two bad days and we can defy the odds :lol:

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Re: England Senior NAT Discussion

Post by wolfberries » Mon Mar 03, 2025 9:00 am

Unlucky in the final but it was a great campaign to make the final two.

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