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[GM-crowfan65]

Had 8 bowlers and 3 keepers go up in form 0 pure bats from my sides
Our Nat squad 8 bowlers 1 bat
I still maintain it’s easier for bowlers

And you can but the tbl in the db tells me differently

[Turbz]

Out of curiosity, do you play on more bowler friendly pitches Cyrus? And do you tend to bowl first?

I am seeing similar results in my club - 7/9 players who have increased in form are bowlers, but I think it's largely due to the reasons above.

In addition, the difference in fatigue between a good game and a bad game for a bowler and a bat.

For a bowler, the difference in fatigue is almost negligible given they bowl roughly the same amount of overs.
For a bat, the difference is quite significant. You often can't back up the next match after a big innings.
A reason of why bowlers are able to play more good matches and increase form quicker.

[spark]

Would love to hear from the other Nat managers on how many bat v bowlers they have had form rises from?

USA national team have 9 players on capable form and 1 on average. 3 bats and 1 keeper are capable, 5 bowlers are capable, and the average form player is a bowler.

Seems reasonable to me and it's a similar tale for me at club level with it being 4-4 with bowlers and batsmen (including the keeper as a batter).

[Turbz]

Would love to hear from the other Nat managers on how many bat v bowlers they have had form rises from?

6 of 13 in capable form are bowlers for Bangladesh

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this is from the 216 players selected at last season's NT20 WC, make of that as you will
it is a small sample in the grand scheme of things, maybe Nat managers avoid picking bowlers in low form.

form started from week 2 last season though with week 1 this season, and it seems the first YT20 match this season isn't included.

[boscorp]

Just went through my youth games and they played on
Cloudy Hard, overcast uneven, cloudy uneven in YOD undefeated
Windy green, cloudy slow, overcast uneven YT20 undefeated
2 seamers and a Keeper have gone up.
Obviously pitches are having a lot to do with it as the two bowlers are a fast and a F/M and as you can see most are seam friendly decks and conditions and my keeper is an absolute gun but I noticed because of the conditions there’s a lot of nick’s coming his way.
So from this moment forth I will become an advocate for an adjustment to fantasy points based on conditions.
Vote one ATFPBOC.
Seriously though I know you said it’s the next big math problem you will be tackling and obviously will take time as you need to run a million different sims in different conditions and keep adjusting the math as you go for all 48 different combinations of pitch/weather and the coding which could be a bit of a biatch to get done based on variances so if you need a hand
Just out of curiosity do you have a breakdown based on divisions? Wouldn’t have thought there would be too many div one teams playing on flat or hard decks?

I think being undefeated and player consistency plays a bigger role than the pitch and weather.
What about your other youth squad? From your main side?
By the looks of it you have 5 in average form and they are all bowlers.
I think it is working pretty well and the best players are being reflected with good form whether they bat, bowl or keep.

[GM-crowfan65]

I did an overview in several different ways to see if anything stood out
Div
Country
Nationality
Age
And then subset by player type for all of those
(Feel like I am missing another one there that I did too)

All of them had very similar numbers as the overall outcome
We are 90-95% happy with the result, feel like it needs a little tweak as the mean is just a tad higher then the median

[starris]

For my main side which are mainly 23-24yos and most are ex-youth nats 6 have gone up in form.

Two bowlers
One AR
Three Batters

All are Div3 matches.

[boscorp]

Just went through my youth games and they played on
Cloudy Hard, overcast uneven, cloudy uneven in YOD undefeated
Windy green, cloudy slow, overcast uneven YT20 undefeated
2 seamers and a Keeper have gone up.
Obviously pitches are having a lot to do with it as the two bowlers are a fast and a F/M and as you can see most are seam friendly decks and conditions and my keeper is an absolute gun but I noticed because of the conditions there’s a lot of nick’s coming his way.
So from this moment forth I will become an advocate for an adjustment to fantasy points based on conditions.
Vote one ATFPBOC.
Seriously though I know you said it’s the next big math problem you will be tackling and obviously will take time as you need to run a million different sims in different conditions and keep adjusting the math as you go for all 48 different combinations of pitch/weather and the coding which could be a bit of a biatch to get done based on variances so if you need a hand
Just out of curiosity do you have a breakdown based on divisions? Wouldn’t have thought there would be too many div one teams playing on flat or hard decks?

I think being undefeated and player consistency plays a bigger role than the pitch and weather.
What about your other youth squad? From your main side?
By the looks of it you have 5 in average form and they are all bowlers.
I think it is working pretty well and the best players are being reflected with good form whether they bat, bowl or keep.

There all low wage duds, I don’t run youths with that team, so bit hard to take that into account.

I only have low wage duds,so do a few with Nat players.
As far as the national players form goes well I figure those that play in lower rated sides have a better chance of scoring the form points to go up regardless of if they bat or bowl.
There's a lot more to it than just the weather or pitch type.