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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by darkmatter » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:51 am

Baggygreen wrote:No worries - the only rule I have for seniors is not to take anyone with Legendary experience, as I believe that spot is better filled with someone who would benefit from the exp more, but this doesn't prevent having a core of stars on tour with spec+ exp.
I'm too big a fan of Lewis to not include him, and he's still our best batsman. But yes, otherwise I do agree.
heppa wrote:Don't worry about it picton. Only a few teams actually care about tours anyway. I doubt even a quarter of the people critising you are apart of a NT team that puts in a touring squad good enough to win, so they can't really talk. It amuses me how teams tour a whole squad of 20yos, lose every game and still be satisfied at the end. Forgetting orders is hardly anything to worry about when no one wants to win anyway.

I have no idea what smiddie is taking. RL is a damn well good excuse for not setting the orders for a game. It happens. Big deal. Don't listen to the know it alls who want you crucified for it.

Sorry for storming in on another nations thread, but piction has copped enough Crud over the season and in particular this week. Good on ya for taking the initiative to stand down. Good luck in the future :thumbsup
He has, and most of it is unfounded. Picton was voted in with a goal in mind, and has followed it. I really have not understood the problem myself.
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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by darkmatter » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:01 am

Baggygreen wrote:I don't think Picton has been singled out at all. You will find that a lot of criticism has been previously direcetd at management teams who have forgot to set orders, to pick tour squads or even put in squads for the World Cup, as they have let their community down.

And yes whilst tours are not the be all and end all in the current setup, I am still yet to see someone put in their election speech that they don't consider orders important and so won't set them all the time!
Very true. In fact I remember missing one set of orders, for a friendly when I was manager of the U19s, and I got a bunch of abuse...

Anyway, with the advantage of a short term, I consider all tour games of high importance to win, experience gain really is a minor priority..
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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by heppa » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:02 am

I just think people are making a way bigger deal of this than it should be. He forgot to set orders. Who cares. Like I said, 90% of teams don't care if they win or lose.
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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by heppa » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:10 am

Baggygreen wrote:
heppa wrote:I just think people are making a way bigger deal of this than it should be. He forgot to set orders. Who cares. Like I said, 90% of teams don't care if they win or lose.
Picton must also agree it is a big deal to voluntarily step down, and if no-one does care how about you not set any orders for a match in your next tour?
Not really, it's probably in the best interests for USA.

'Who cares', was probably the wrong thing to say. I should have said, 'It's not a big deal, get over it'.
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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by darkmatter » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:11 am

Baggygreen wrote:
heppa wrote:I just think people are making a way bigger deal of this than it should be. He forgot to set orders. Who cares. Like I said, 90% of teams don't care if they win or lose.
Picton must also agree it is a big deal to voluntarily step down, and if no-one does care how about you not set any orders for a match in your next tour?
Heppa said the teams don't care, not the fans!

Anyway, I'm a fan. I like to see decent games.
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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by cleanprophet » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:31 pm

Smiddie wrote:RL shouldnt be used as an excuse, you can set basic orders for a match and if you don't make it on thats why you have your 3 assistants to set some orders and if they failed to do so, at least some basic default orders have been set, seeing my batsmen play down the order as a keeper chasing a massive total was totally Crud and didnt enjoy that at all, thats how people lose interest in the nat scene, i suggest USA get there act together ASAP cause that was a total joke seeing a game like that.
Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I've been in NT management for a long time and never failed to set orders for any game (I did fail to select a touring squad the very first time because I didn't realise the squad is selected 2 weeks before the actual tour). Default orders are easy to set in place. Also, it only takes 5mins to select a team/orders. I often do that and then, if I have time (which I usually do) I will have a closer look to tinker with the team/orders before the game starts.

These are other manager's players and they are off on tour rather than playing for their clubs. It is just a game, but if people invest time and effort into it, then they can feel justifiably upset when their batter is playing as a keeper down the order.

I can understand real life preventing a manager from going into detail when selecting a squad (such as looking at potential fatigue problems for certain players, the impact upon later games and little things like trying to get some left/right combinations in the batting), but failing to set basic orders isn't really excusable.

It's strange that a manager can insist that his assistants don't meddle when it comes to orders when he has so much going on in real life. I'd have thought a manager should enourage his assistants to watch his back for him. That's why they are there and that's why you select very active assistants. It's less important how experienced they are or even what they have done in the game and more important that they take an interest and are active.

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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by heppa » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:02 am

Continuity and Future strength from a couple of extra tour games?

I think that is where we differ.
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Re: NT Team Thread

Post by Lambert » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:57 am

Can I suggest you two take you nip and tuck, bish and bosh point scoring somewhere else.

Your like two bickering infants and this is a USA forum for the National Team.
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